Mi'kmaw fishers and commercial lobster fishers are largely not interacting. That's pretty much how it's been. If negotiations are going on government to government, nation to nation, they are largely being excluded from those discussions. There's so much tension right now that it would be challenging to get people in a room, I think. I'm not sure.
At the same time, we often have looked to DFO for support, for having conservation officers out there to support Mi'kmaw rights, to educate the industry on Mi'kmaw rights. That hasn't happened. It hasn't happened for us for salmon, and that's something we still pursue on an annual basis.
I'm mildly optimistic, I would say, that that might be a way forward, but I think there definitely needs to be a calm-down period. I think some constructive communication is needed between the two groups, some sharing of information, and definitely some education on what's going on, what's being harvested and how many people are out there.
It's not right for anybody to take matters into their own hands, and cutting traps is the opposite of conservation. People need to harvest more now to get capital, to replace that capital cost they have struggled to put together. It's not a good position to be in, for sure.