In another hat I wear, as the emergency management adviser to the First Nations Leadership Council, I'm invited to senior meetings, including the B.C.-federal committee on this, which has 10 federal ministers and seven provincial ministers. In participating in the meeting and reading the meeting notes afterward, the DFO minister is like-minded to this conversation here. She puts salmon at the forefront and puts salmon habitat at the forefront. But we're not hearing it from any other federal minister or any provincial minister. We're absolutely hearing it at the lower levels within the provincial ministries that are involved, whether that be forests and lands or other ministries, but at that senior level, it's only this minister looking after fish.
Related to that, in my opinion, the “build back better” that we're talking about here is a buzz phrase at that most senior level. The senior folks at the ministerial level don't have a clear understanding of what build back better is, and they could really do us a disservice if they get that definition wrong. That's why we're promoting that we gather first nations and local governments to have a conversation about what build back better is to us, directly impacted by the rain event, and then we'll get it right. You know that everybody here, on this side of the panel, is saying let's look after fish. That needs to be fully incorporated into build back better.