Evidence of meeting #116 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was owner.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kathy Nghiem  Director General, Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Colin Henein  Director, Marine Protection, Environmental Policy, Department of Transport
Joanne Weiss Reid  Director, Operations and Regulatory Development, Department of Transport
Robert Brooks  Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Stephanie Hopper  Director General, Small Craft Harbours Program, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Sean Rogers  Executive Director, Legislative, Regulatory and International Affairs, Department of Transport
Annie Verville  Director, Compliance and Enforcement, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

5:10 p.m.

Director General, Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kathy Nghiem

We had our marine environmental response pollution program, and we were able to address vessels that were posing a threat with ship-sourced oil pollution or mystery spills.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Has the department always had a capability?

5:10 p.m.

Director General, Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kathy Nghiem

We had an environmental response capability.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

No, I'm referencing removal capability, getting the deck out. Was there anything that existed before 2016?

5:10 p.m.

Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Robert Brooks

To expand on Ms. Nghiem's answer, yes, the Canada Shipping Act, part 8, provides authorities for the minister to take action to repair or remedy.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Was there a budgetary item in DFO as it exists now?

5:10 p.m.

Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Robert Brooks

Maybe what I could say is that, under the oceans protection plan, it was the first time that the Canadian Coast Guard had dedicated resources to remediate and assess hazardous vessels specifically. However, previously, under the Canada Shipping Act—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

What was the number, again, that you had, beginning in 2016, to finally take action on these?

5:10 p.m.

Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Robert Brooks

Pardon me? Can you clarify?

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

What is the number for the oceans protection program that came in 2016? What was the value? What was the amount?

5:10 p.m.

Director, Marine Environmental and Hazards Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Robert Brooks

Ms. Nghiem, do you have that number?

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

What you're telling me is that you had none. There was no money before and no targeted budget existed to tackle the problem.

5:10 p.m.

Director General, Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kathy Nghiem

The number for the oceans protection plan was $139.8 million in 2016.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

I just want it on the record that the Government of Canada did not dedicate any resources to this particular problem prior to 2016. Thank you.

I'm surprised that it's under the authority of the small craft harbours. Why is that?

I know I'm out of time.

5:15 p.m.

Director General, Response, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Kathy Nghiem

I'll go to Ms. Hopper for that one.

5:15 p.m.

Director General, Small Craft Harbours Program, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Stephanie Hopper

The abandoned and wrecked vessels removal program is specific to small craft harbours owned by DFO. We have a specific program within the oceans protection program, which is—

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Excuse me. The abandoned vessel would have to be in a small craft harbour for you to deal with it. Am I correct?

5:15 p.m.

Director General, Small Craft Harbours Program, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Stephanie Hopper

Yes...for small craft harbours.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Okay.

Thanks, Chair. I'm done.

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Thank you, Mr. Morrissey.

We'll now go to Madame Desbiens for two and a half minutes or less, please.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll ask Ms. Verville a question, and she may be able to respond in French.

Does your experience lead you to believe that safety on the St. Lawrence is the same as before, that it has improved or that it poses more challenges than before? I'm thinking, for example, of the marine traffic of hazardous materials.

Annie Verville Director, Compliance and Enforcement, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Thank you for the question.

I would like to refer the question to my colleagues at Transport Canada, since it falls more within their area of activity.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

Okay.

Can you answer it? The reason is that I have only two and a half minutes.

5:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Legislative, Regulatory and International Affairs, Department of Transport

Sean Rogers

Yes. Thank you for the question.

I'll try to be quick.

Marine transportation is still one of the safest methods of transportation that exists in Canada. Marine traffic levels are increasing all the time. We have not seen any noticeable uptick in marine incidents, accidents or occurrences that would lead us to believe the system is becoming any less safe than it was before.

Caroline Desbiens Bloc Beauport—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île d’Orléans—Charlevoix, QC

On that note, haven't you heard about the concerns raised by the Bas‑Saint‑Laurent pilots regarding private training?