Mike Kelloway at the Fisheries and Oceans Committee

I'll use those 40 seconds and stay with Mr. Vardy. I have the time, Chair, so I'll use it.

With the last set of witnesses, we talked about trawling and how different it is from the seventies, eighties and nineties. Given your experience, and having been at the forefront of the fishery, is there a difference between trawling in the seventies, eighties and nineties—the nineties in particular, when you were there—and now in terms of conservation and protection, or is it grey or nuanced there?