We have one hundred per cent experienced the ping-pong effect. That trickles over into even derelict aquaculture removal. There are often many different permitting bodies involved. Often, it gets batted around in terms of who needs to pay for it. That's really what it comes down to. When there are large dollars at stake or a large amount of resources needed, nobody really wants to foot the bill for that. We have definitely been through that experience of being passed around.
I will comment quickly that there is a new strategy being developed on the west coast of British Columbia, called the coastal marine strategy. It's the first time in history that a 20-year coastal marine strategy is being planned, co-written, by coastal indigenous first nations. This could be a really great opportunity to bridge all levels of government in collaboration, working together through this 20-year management plan to ensure that derelict vessels become addressed in this plan and that the bridge is formed between provincial and federal levels.