On process, what we've done at the water table.... First and foremost, what we need to do is have all first nations aligned and in the same spot. Relationships like mine and Bob's are going to be key for having all the right voices in the right place at the onset. That's always been the key piece: to make sure that tier one, as we call it, is set at the start of the conversation.
Then you go into a conversation with the government. I call it a “tier two sandwich”, where you do the work with the Government of Canada and with the first nations and then go into the room with the stakeholders, the tier three group. Then you come back and convene with the tier two world to go over what you heard from the stakeholders.
The set-up is similar to what you would see nowadays with the IHPC, but in that case, we're still sitting on the stakeholders' side of the table. I've always suggested that it would be good for us to set the stage with the government by producing a document and conveying what we've worked on together to the stakeholders, and then convening again to debrief on what we've heard from the stakeholders. We have to start to operate government to government on all these different little types of processes, and the tier two sandwich is how I've coined that.