Yes. I think the rebuilding process and the precautionary approach framework help to do that in terms of having scientific reference points. I think precaution, though, is fundamentally a value judgment, so we don't want to put it all on scientists all the time.
From an ecosystem perspective, DFO is working on an ecosystem-based framework. It's overdue. It's been 20 years since we promised that we would do ecosystem-based management.
I think it is more urgent, because we are understanding the links between predator and prey species. Also, I can't underestimate the impacts of climate change. We're seeing shrimp disappear from the Scotian shelf. Snow crab is being impacted.
I do think that ecosystem approach work really needs to happen. It's good that it's in the decision-making part of the act as a factor to be considered, but we need to get to some real-world outcomes and processes. Perhaps the process that Dr. Morissette is referencing can help us get into better ecosystem-based management if we're doing it collectively across stakeholders and rights holders.