Thank you, Jesse, for that.
We just recently saw a science-based fishery that could have opened rejected by the minister and, really, the DFO top officials. The science is clear, but they're still making their own decisions.
I'll move on to Brian.
Brian, it's good to see you again. We've appreciated the work you have done over these many years with salmon but also in the angling community. I have some friends, like you, who have been around for a long time. It used to be that the angling community, the conservation community and the department worked hand in glove, together, to get good science and to get good expertise on the water to make good decisions. What is that relationship like now?