Yes. We've had discussions about a voluntary logbook for both seals and mackerel. Anecdotally, we hear from fishers constantly about the interactions with seals and mackerel, and also, as Keith pointed out, the large abundance of small fish, which fishers on P.E.I. now see as well. The discussions have somewhat stopped, though. It alludes to a bit of what Jean brought up, that we're all small organizations. We're big for the gulf, and we accomplish a lot, but we all have limits on what we can do. It comes down to the organizations to try to take that initiative.
It would be great if DFO could step up and DFO science could step up and create a way to do that themselves, rather than industry having to try to push that on them. I feel that is one of those key missing pieces and those key disconnects between industry and science that science could really be using to its benefit.