I would agree with that. It's probably never enough.
I think we have to consider that fishers' knowledge is not one thing; it is different in each area and fishery. It's not just one thing that can be integrated; it's quite broad and diverse, and it comes at different scales and times.
The more we can continue to work in this collaborative format.... The associations and their members are very involved, and there's communication back and forth. One thing I have heard from friends of mine who are fishermen is.... Sometimes they'll send me a picture of a whale, but they're afraid to report it, because they're afraid of restrictions. I think that piece is something we have to figure out. The reality is that in fact there may be some restrictions coming from that data point.
The more we can encourage fishermen to report that information and be a real part of that dynamic data, the better. Making sure they are part of the solution will, I think, decrease their fear of something coming down on them. Their being able to create the solution from the bottom up is vital. I think we're still in the middle of that. This has all been very rapid and quick since 2017, although there were absolutely measures before that. Moira Brown's team are all fishermen, for the most part.
We need to keep doing the work we're doing, probably on smaller scales and by fishery. I hope that the fishermen's information not only becomes incorporated but also that we continue to get more of it.