Thank you very much. I'll try to get my last question in quickly. I have only 45 seconds left to go.
You talked about how ecosystem-based management that neglects to include pinnipeds in the approach does not lead to a rewilding of the B.C. coast or marine mammals. Of course, we had Dr. Trites at a former meeting speaking to the rewilding process of pinnipeds.
I'm wondering if you can expand on that and give your perspective on that.