To the same witness, as a follow-up to that, the United States has allowed the culling of sea lions—and we're not suggesting the culling of seals—on the Columbia River. It's over 9,000 animals, as we've heard at this committee, and they've seen a return of the Pacific salmon. They've actually done something that has resulted in change and the restoration of stock.
Your answers so far have been that you don't have enough information, so you'll just do the status quo and not do anything until you have more and more science. You have about 30 years of science, and I can go over some of that with you if you'd like, but why is it that a do-nothing strategy will show us some way forward and an actual action strategy of trying something will not?