Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I would agree with you, Mr. Hardie. I think we all know there are examples of fishermen who hold and own their own licences and fish them. If we compare their returns to those of fishers who are indentured to holders and owners of quota licences, there is no comparison. One is barely eking out a living, maybe not eking out a living, whereas one is doing quite well. Hence, the owner-operator model in first nations is something that we've been pushing forward, because we can see it working. However, that's unfortunately not what's happening right now.