Well, fishers who are buying or leasing their access through companies are often either leasing.... They may come to me to lease a licence from my PICFI CFE, for example, and then go to the fishing company to borrow the money. That company then controls the fish. That company is going to tell that fisherman how much they're going to pay for that fish at the end of the day. They may or may not control the licence, one way or the other, but they're going to control the price in that way. The fishermen are beholden to them because they have to get the money to get the licence.
An owner-operator owns his licence. He pays the licence fees to Canada and goes fishing. When a lessor—Kyle, for example—leases a licence, that lease cost is borne by everyone on that vessel. The owner of the vessel, who owns the licence, is now spreading that cost to his crew. All of the crew have to absorb those costs now, while before they didn't. An owner-operator wouldn't have that cost, and it wouldn't be a vessel expense. It would be an individual expense.