It is a very complex issue. It's a hard one to define. We've struggled with this. We've made efforts with the department.
I am a member of the federation. We've had meetings as such, and we've tried to wrap our minds around that. I'm not even sure.... I think that's beyond my expertise on what it may be. I think, though, that any time we can, we should do that.
Typically, what we've seen with various first nations is you can have a conversation with the leadership, and the leadership, unofficially, may agree with you and understand and whatnot, but it's when they have to deal with their individual members.... As I alluded to in my opening statement, we, as an organization, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, tried to eliminate poaching that was going on among our own membership. That's a tough conversation to have in-house. That's their responsibility as well. They have a responsibility to have that conversation within their own membership, because at the end of the day, with rights comes responsibility. The frustration is not with the right; it's with the abuse of rights.
I believe there is such a thing as an abuse of rights. We have a right to free speech, but you can abuse that right. With that right comes responsibility. I think that's a bit on the part of first nations leadership to take that role, as harvester organizations have done in the past.