Evidence of meeting #41 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Vigneault  Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Gaulton  Director, Oceans and Aquaculture Management, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans
Williams  Regional Director, Aquatic Ecosystems, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

No, this is considered a project for DFO, for the Government of Canada. There's another ongoing project we have related to this. We have a body of monitoring and research ongoing right now that's funded by Natural Resources Canada. It's looking at addressing the gaps that have been identified in the regional assessment to gather, as I mentioned earlier, additional information on whales and other species at risk, looking at—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

Are you telling me that all of this research and the report have been done but not in response to any project that's being proposed? Is that correct?

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

This report was done, as we alluded to earlier, in response to the identification by the offshore regulator of the four areas. They are DFO products that look at putting in the public domain the scientific information and spatial information we have, for the use of stakeholders and for our own use—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

Okay.

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

—when we look at future details of the project proposal.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

When does a project become a project for the proponent or for government partners in this project?

4:35 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

I will turn to my colleagues in the Maritimes region, especially in the context of the offshore wind development.

4:40 p.m.

Director, Oceans and Aquaculture Management, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Luke Gaulton

After there's a call for bids and there's a successful bidder, there will be a project-specific review. For some of the processes we spoke about earlier, there was a regional assessment led by the Impact Assessment Agency of Canada. NRCan, the Province of Nova Scotia and the Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Energy Regulator are still at the point where they're going to establish where exactly, within the wind energy areas, there will be a call for bids.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

Someone else has requested this information, then, and DFO has put their time, resources and everything into it. Is there any transfer of funds from the requester of the information to DFO? We hear from stakeholders across this country about lacking resources within the department, and here is a department apparently chasing after ghosts requested by another department. Can you square that circle?

4:40 p.m.

Director, Oceans and Aquaculture Management, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Luke Gaulton

As we've outlined, the report does not contain.... We didn't undertake any new analysis for the report, but some of what is in the report is an analysis comparing suitability of areas for offshore wind with areas where fishing occurs. That would have been under the marine spatial planning funding that the department had at that time. As the lead department for marine spatial planning, that analysis was undertaken.

I'm not sure if my colleague from the science directorate has more to offer, but I believe NRCan is funding certain DFO science activities as well.

4:40 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

NRCan is funding the incremental data collection research that I alluded to earlier. We have received dedicated funding under the implementation of the Impact Assessment Act to do that work. We're not displacing resources for other parts of the science sector to do this work. We have received incremental funding.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

That helps to answer my question.

We've heard that boundaries were moved for proposed marine protected conservation areas. When does the process for establishing a marine conservation area begin?

4:40 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

I'll turn to my colleagues in the Maritimes region.

4:40 p.m.

Director, Oceans and Aquaculture Management, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Luke Gaulton

There's a site-specific process for a marine protected area or another spatial conservation tool. An area of interest is established. There's a lengthy consultation process with rights holders, stakeholders—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

My question is, when does it begin? Who initiates the potential for a marine conservation area?

4:40 p.m.

Director, Oceans and Aquaculture Management, Maritimes Region, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Luke Gaulton

That's part of DFO's mandate: to examine where are suitable or appropriate areas for marine protected areas.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative Kamloops—Shuswap—Central Rockies, BC

Okay. I'll have more questions in my next round.

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

Now I go to Mr. Morrissey for the Liberals.

Robert, you have five minutes.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

Thank you, Chair.

Mr. Vigneault, first of all, some are trying to characterize this report as an approval by DFO of something that may occur. That is not the case. This is not DFO analyzing an area and saying that it is acceptable for wind development. Is that correct?

4:40 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

That's accurate.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

This was simply, as you indicated, about preparing documents to show correctly the species that inhabit this part of the ocean.

4:40 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bernard Vigneault

It was about the species, the human use and the other spatial information, like the existing or proposed protected areas.

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

It's simply an inventory of what's going on.

4:40 p.m.

Director General, Ecosystem Science Directorate, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

To characterize it as somehow the government has given prior approval to a potential development would simply be false and spreading misinformation.