Thank you for your question.
Perhaps Martin could pass around a few of our products. Please note that in the case of a product like pepperoni, which is dry and salted, Listeria cannot develop, from a scientific perspective. We have a policy that varies according to three different categories. If you use an anti-microbial agent, the number of mandatory tests is reduced. If you use an anti-microbial agent and there is a packaging process, the number is further reduced. On the other hand, people want the policy to be the same for a product like pepperoni and for a product that contains much more water, in which Listeria could very well develop. We believe that makes no sense, from a scientific point of view. We want to have some flexibility.
Perhaps we could get some products from the corner and pass them around.
There is the process that Peter explained to you. The company is using very high pressure. A product that is processed in the big machine we are talking about and that has been submitted to a pressure of 87,000 inches per... It is impossible for Listeria to survive under this pressure. We therefore believe that the policy should be amended to reflect this reality. That is why, in our opinion, there is not enough flexibility.
Furthermore, imagine that someone has built a state-of-the-art plant, that is only one or two years old, and that has separate rooms for each line. Then imagine that there is another building, perhaps even older than I am, that requires much more testing because of its design. There must be some kind of compensation for companies that show they always have excellent results. We are talking about mandatory agency tests.