Honourable member, if I could say, I spoke with Dr. David Williams earlier today, and one of the areas I identified with Dr. Williams was the fact that we did not have an alignment in our understanding. We've gone to great lengths to try to determine who from CFIA might have been involved in any call that occurred on July 30. We have the point of contact established—the recall coordinators in Ontario. They are the primary point of contact for district health units and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-term Care and the Office of the Chief Medical Officer of Health. There was no verification from their level that they participated in such a call.
The Public Health Agency of Canada, which has indicated that they in fact coordinated that call on behalf of the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-term Care to assess and get a better understanding of the small spike in listeriosis cases they had seen and to work with them to provide a common investigative protocol, has clearly indicated to us that their records show they did not invite CFIA to the call, and they have no record of CFIA participating in the call.
When I spoke with Dr. David Williams this afternoon about this particular issue, and others—because it is an important issue of fact—he commented that there were multiple calls taking place with multiple people on the line, and that it's very difficult to know who was there. They legitimately thought it was a federal call, which would have incorporated that family, but he has no definitive evidence to suggest that we were in fact on that call.
So between verifying with the organizers of the call and the roll call and verifying with our contacts both in the Office of Food Safety and Recall here in Ottawa and our people on the ground in Ontario, we have tried desperately to get to the bottom of that circumstance. At this point, all the evidence we've been able to come up with points to the fact that we were not on the call on July 30.