Let me just say this, Senator, that if you really believe that our farmers are doing better than yours, then yours are in real trouble. We've lost 3,600 farmers a year up until 2006-07. We've got debt loads of $54 billion, which is four times higher than the debt load of American farmers. We have a beef and hog industry that's in very serious trouble.
If we listen to some of the industry players, then we're led to believe that your farmers are better off than ours. You're led to believe our farmers are better off than yours. I think one of the difficulties we have is that the people who do the negotiations are mostly trade ministers. Maybe the agriculture ministers need to get together. Our minister, to his credit, is now trying to promote beef sales in other countries, which is a good thing. We have to find a way of farmers and ministers getting together on a global scale, because they're up against these monopolies that are absolutely huge and global.
From my point of view, we're all pawns in their game. That's what's happening.