We have 12 million to 13 million, we're told, food-borne diseases in a year, or sicknesses, I guess, and I'm looking to get that sort of comparison. So out of those 12 million to 13 million we get some sicknesses; in relationship to that, we had 22 deaths because of listeria, a product, something that happens that you can't feel, can't taste, and can't smell. It's there. It isn't something that's seen. Mr. Vessey talked about critical points, and I don't know in fact that where this was caused was a critical point. You talked about it being where the meat and the slicer actually meet; that it's usually at that critical point. But I don't understand the slicer. My understanding was that it was down inside and deeper than that.
Mr. Caron, all I'm really concerned about is the impression that's being left in terms of your comments about food safety. I can tell you that I think if you were to look at the facts of Maple Leaf right now, at their credibility, and if you were to look at their sales, I think you would see that actually they're coming back. Canadians trust food in Canada. I don't know if you can make a comment in terms of that comparison.