Mr. Chairman, I really do think it's not just on this investigation. We all know what it's like trying to deal with Agriculture Canada, and it's the same problem.
Let me put the question to you this way: in an agency like the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, how important is it...? We have a memo from last summer when there was the new verification of listeriosis and listeria monocytogenes in processing and ready-to-eat establishments. The memo that went out on February 20 said that immediate sampling would have to take place. Then, shortly afterward, another memo went out saying that they were requested not to proceed with the collection of this environmental sampling. We know the reason now; it was because they had to go for training.
What that tells me is that even some of the supervisors who are supervising the inspectors do not know the system because they haven't worked in it. My question is this: how important is it that senior management in our food inspection systems come up through the system and be trained in the very areas of expertise that they're supposed to be managing, and how important is it to have somewhat the same experience down through the line in terms of supervisors?