I can speak to the approach we used in Ontario. We formed a unit within the comptroller's office that was focused on modern comptrollership training. Some of it was internal staff that we acquired. Some of it was contracted. But it was a program to upgrade and educate the ministries. Was it put in place? It's still in place. It's a continuing effort to understand what the new system can do, what options are available to help them in their decision-making.
In the beginning, this focused on the financial people in the ministries. We are now getting into the program side and coming to a greater understanding of program managers. This is another of our goals today. But I wouldn't say we're there yet. We're still on the path of acquiring greater understanding and acceptance.