Evidence of meeting #38 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was passport.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gérald Cossette  Chief Executive Officer, Passport Office, Department of Foreign Affairs
Jody Thomas  Chief Operating Officer, Passport Office, Department of Foreign Affairs
Gary McDonald  Director General for Policy and Planning, Passport Office, Department of Foreign Affairs

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

It's 167,000 or something, and that's just the city.

I'm saying to you, it's not just Sudbury, but Timmins, Kirkland Lake, all of these places.

I'm originally from Kirkland Lake, which is four hours away from Sudbury. Sudbury is four and half hours from Toronto, and try driving those highways in the middle of winter to go and stand in line. You talk about standing in line, that's what these people have to do, stand in line and stay overnight, because you can't do it all in one day. So you have to find a way to alleviate that challenge. That's a big one for me.

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Conservative

Harold Albrecht Conservative Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Yes.

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Conservative

Harold Albrecht Conservative Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

I would like to use up my last two minutes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Yes, sure.

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Conservative

Harold Albrecht Conservative Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

On that very positive note, just let me, on behalf of the government, thank you for doing an incredible job in the face of very difficult obstacles. Not only have you done a good job in that time, but the plan you've laid out here I think gives all of us a lot of hope and confidence in the work that you're doing. So on behalf of the government, thank you.

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Chief Executive Officer, Passport Office, Department of Foreign Affairs

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Thank you very much.

I'm not going to adjourn the meeting right away. I'm going to say that we wanted to discuss future business, but we don't have everybody here. Would you prefer it if we put it on to next Tuesday's meeting?

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Sure.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

I think that would be better.

Mr. Wrzesnewskyj.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Madam Chair, I'd like to give a verbal formal notice that I'll be putting a notice to have Mr. Bennett from the Canadian Mint reappear before the committee. I should give a little background reasoning to the committee members why.

He gave a pretty rosy account of things when he appeared before the committee, and I was quite surprised by a newspaper article that appeared today stating that an outside consultant had been hired for over $2 million.

Now, during the committee meeting we were provided with consolidated statements, statements that were consolidated to the point that it was pretty thin gruel. I was trying to get at some of the numbers. There was a drop in profitability year to year from I believe $10.6 million to $8.7 million, a $2 million drop. I questioned him on the 37.5% drop in profitability. He just peripherally referenced that they had engaged outside consultants, but at no point was there even a hint that an outside consultant would cost over $2 million, which is over 20% of the profitability of the Canadian Mint.

When I was trying to get at some of those numbers, and I'm looking at the blues here, I asked him about the line on administrative costs, the fact that they had gone up by 60% and were projected to go up 86%. I asked for numeric breakdowns on the various departments that could give us a better handle on what was causing these trend lines in the wrong direction. We got no answer, but we got part of our answer today in the newspaper that there's a $2 million consultancy fee that was being paid.

I think Mr. Bennett should appear before the committee and provide some explanations that weren't forthcoming during the last meeting.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Mr. Moore.

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

I don't have a problem with that, but let's be economical with our time. Right? I mean, the--

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Absolutely.

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

So maybe--

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Do you accept this as a motion? We could write and ask him to come back, or do you want to have a motion back--

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

No. Let's wait until Tuesday, and let's think about what we want to do as a committee. I don't have any problems with it. Obviously it's a legitimate question. But I just don't know beyond that one issue how much time we want to take away from--

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

That's right.

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

I think it should be pretty short. But I read this and I went....

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Well, have you called Ian and had a meeting with him?

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

No, I haven't.

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

Just call him. Sit down with him, and if you don't like it--

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Well, he testified before the whole committee, so I think--

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Conservative

James Moore Conservative Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam, BC

No, that's fair--

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Liberal

Borys Wrzesnewskyj Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

--in terms of fairness before all committee members, we all deserve an explanation, and I really don't think it will require a lot of time. This should be a pretty straightforward explanation.