I want to talk about some of your greening government operations activities. Let's talk about reducing our use of energy. This is a particular case in which, of course, you need to be giving advice. Then, it's important for departments to ensure that—and let's take a very practical example; I'm a practical person—, that instead of using conventional light bulbs, twisted flame-shaped bulbs are used instead as it has been proved that they last for such and such a length of time. Now to begin with, you can perform a cost-benefit analysis as far as using energy is concerned. That's an example. You can also look at, for example, reducing greenhouse gas emissions and other emissions.
But if you want to make progress in this area, you really have to have targets. You have to be able to measure progress. Now, in 2007, we are at a certain point and we hope, in 2012, that we'll have reached new levels of success within government.
How do you intend, as an organization, to determine to what extent I comply with what you are setting out and whether I am to whatever extent being influenced by you? Because, Ms. Kenny, I really do hope you'll have an influence. That's what we all hope. You need to be influential for departments to toe the line.