But in general the public service is a good place to work and it has been working well, so it's not that it's a crisis; the question is how to manage this demographic change that all parts of society are facing.
It's good that there are incentives for people to leave, and that increasing numbers of people are leaving. We have these phenomenal numbers of almost a million people applying in the public sector. It must be a phenomenal undertaking to manage that and ensure that we're replacing the people who are leaving with well-qualified people who are going to be able to make this change as seamless as possible.