Maybe the easiest way to respond is with a couple of examples. I'll mention two things.
First is, again, the apprenticeship idea. Traditionally an apprenticeship program requires a partnership between the employer and the union, between existing employees and new employees coming in. The solution we proposed was an expansion of an apprenticeship program among the skilled trades in the federal public service, whereby our existing members would have the opportunity to systematically pass on their skills and knowledge to a new group of workers coming in; the employer and the union at national, regional, and local levels would have the opportunity to work together in designing that program and delivering it.
Similarly, with respect to the group of compensation and benefits advisors, one of the chief interests of our existing group is to see the development of a certification program that they would have the opportunity to deliver within the federal public service. It would recognize on-the-job training in an explicit way. It would be similar to a certificate that you'd get from a community college, for example. I know our members in that particular category would like nothing more than the opportunity to participate actively in its development, as long as they wouldn't have to do it on evenings and weekends.