Is there hope? Yes, there is hope. I think there's reason to hope. Yes, there are notable differences across regions and across sectors. I've visited many, many laboratories. As a matter of fact, I come from a laboratory that was closed down under program review in 1998. These things are happening across the country, and I do see differences in the country.
Yes, there are good stories. I think generally people have a desire to work for the public service, but it doesn't negate the fact that if they're in the public service and conditions are tough and there is a better place to go, that's where they're going to go. And when they go, that's going to be our problem.