I think the federal government is an attractive place to work overall. It does attract. Obviously, from the number of applicants, it attracts people. It's just that when people get into the public service, it is not....
I mean, it's attractive because people have a desire to do public service, public good. That draws a lot of people. But when they get into the public service and it becomes that the resources are...it's a tough slog, and they can find a job elsewhere that pays more.
They lose the desire; I think that's probably the best way to put it.