Well, I'm very sober at the moment, Mr. Moore, and I think the intent of this motion is sound to the extent that we all understand and recognize that what the government is trying to do is a practical solution to a real-world problem. We all understand that.
There has been a frustration on the part of my colleagues, and certainly myself, that as custodians of these assets, which we all are, all of us around this table, it has been very difficult for us to ascertain the information that would really lead us to the conclusion that this in fact is the best outcome for taxpayers. It may well be, but we have been systematically prevented from knowing enough information to come to that conclusion.
You quote Mr. McKellar and other experts. They talked about it with no more certainty or no more knowledge and certainly no more facts than we have. The witnesses from the two banks were helpful to a certain extent but provided no information that we could not devise from published information. The minister, being as helpful as I'm sure he felt he could be, did not really provide us with any other information—