I was pleased to give Mr. Kramp my turn, to show him that I really do work very collegially. I did not object to his taking my turn.
Thank you for being here once again, Ms. Fraser. We are always pleased to have you with us. I would also like to thank Mr. Marshall and the colleagues from the Treasury Board Secretariat.
We have already dealt with this subject, but I would like to come back to it. In your statements, Mr. Marshall and Ms. Fraser, you spoke to us about the important matter of sharing responsibilities.
I would like you to break down the responsibility in the case of the lease on Bay Street in Hamilton, where Treasury Board chose one option over another, the Centennial Towers and the Jean-Edmonds Towers in Ottawa—did the shared responsibility involve shared accountability as well?
As parliamentarians working on behalf of the people of Canada, how do we define who is responsible—Public Works, Treasury Board or the departments? In this way, we could detect errors that have been made and correct them so that they do not recur in the future.
Is it possible that you will always have to deal with this triumvirate in the future? Or should we be thinking of a different philosophy or a practical approach to ensure, as you've just said, that all the partners are fully aware of the fact that they are spending public money?
I will start with Ms. Fraser. Do you see a way of doing that? Do you have any recommendations along these lines? I would then ask Mr. Marshall and Mr. Libbey to give me their views on this.