There is a question of lack of understanding.
When I speak with my deputy minister and other colleagues, I tell them that, within a few years, they will be signing an internal control statement. They don't jump for joy. However, that's what is asked of private sector executives. Senior managers and finance directors sign internal control statements. That's going to come. It will be a reality. That's what that means.
Go and see what the English record on their statements on internal control. Go and see what accounting officers declare every year about their weaknesses. They report their own weaknesses. They're told what they have to confirm each year. So the answer isn't always clear in terms of internal control.
Even the Auditor General and I are used to that. We've always been around it. However, some of my colleagues who work in other departments may not understand things in the same way. My work is to try to educate them, to put instruments in place so that things are clearer and more visible, and to push them to do things. That's what the Auditor General and I are trying to do.