I'd like to continue where I left off and ask Mr. Rosenberg again about his relationship with Rosdev, the litigation that's ongoing with the federal government, and how resolution of that litigation has been sought by Rosdev.
You mentioned that you met with Mr. Brison when he was the Public Works minister at a meeting at 24 Sussex Drive. You had to pay to go to the meeting, and this was at a time when your company was in litigation with the Department of Public Works. So I'm also curious to know as well, as I mentioned—you had to check your memory, and you've had a few moments now—whether you met Mr. Gagliano when he was the Minister of Public Works and while you were in litigation with Rosdev with his department?