In fact, new projects aren't our biggest challenge. Here I'm somewhat exceeding the framework of my responsibilities. Nevertheless, as I said earlier, we spend nearly $5 billion a year in the computer field, for either software or other goods.
I was really reassured to see that the Treasury Board had retained the services of a very experienced computer person. He's a man who was previously at Public Works Canada. So he was transferred or promoted. He now has an overview. When I arrived, I was worried and wondered whether someone somewhere understood all the system interrelationships and noted on a list the various types of software used from one department to the next, even within the departments. I've noted a distinct improvement since I've been here, both in my department and in government. Have we reached the point where we should be? That's the direction we're heading in.
As regards costs, since you mentioned them, I'll say that with regard to government operations and our total expenditures, that $5 billion amount is not disproportionate, Mr. Ménard. It's consistent with the ratios prevailing in the private sector.