As I mentioned earlier, we do have a protocol. As I said, we often brief the minister's staff on issues of interest and importance to the minister. There is a protocol in terms of the establishment of the meetings. As I said, when we meet with members, staff, MPs, or ministers from other departments, in almost all cases there's a member from the minister's office in attendance at those meetings as well.
As far as taking notes is concerned, we usually take notes only when there's a take-away item; we were the ones providing the briefing. That's been consistent throughout my career, and I've briefed many different ministers over my career.