Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, witnesses.
If I could perhaps begin with the notion that Martha Hall Findlay introduced, which I think sets the tone for us quite well, she pointed out that we want the best value for taxpayers, etc., to accomplish the objective we have in mind. But government is not like the private sector; we may well have secondary objectives that we seek to achieve as well. So it's not quite as plain and simple as a client in the private sector. One of those objectives is to grow the IT sector, or whatever industry sector we're dealing with.
I note that CGI started out as a very small enterprise and is now something we're all very proud of, with 25,000 employees. But we want 10 more of those enterprises, and if we don't start feeding some of the work to the SMEs in that sector, they're never going to grow to become the international stories you are.
There is the Wal-Mart effect. When Wal-Mart comes into a community, all of the mom and pop shops close. That's not to our advantage, as monopolies lead to inefficiencies—not money savings. That's really the premise of why we're meeting here today, and you are our first witnesses, so you are getting the brunt of that tone.
But let me ask a question first of CGI. You have 25,000 employees in Canada and across the world. How many of them are actually in Canada?