So I do not want to depict anybody who came forward in the past years as not doing the right thing. I know they've been motivated by the public interest.
This is an absolutely legitimate question you're raising. I've put the question to union leaders. In fact, I have a specific initiative that I've launched with union leaders. I've put the question to them: do you think there's a lot of wrongdoing in the public sector? The answer is quoted in my first annual report, that there is a perception that there is.
Does that mean there's no wrongdoing? Does that mean that people are not afraid to come forward? In fact, I devoted a full chapter to this issue. People do remain concerned about coming forward.
Does that mean that chief executives are oblivious to their responsibility? I've worked for more than 25 years in the public sector, and in each department at the time, even without the legislation being applicable, we have had our sensitive cases. Chief executives want to find out if something is wrong in their organizations. Of course, there have been a few incidents in the past.
I invite any members of the committee.... In fact, as I've said before, we've worked with advocacy groups, and they remain a very important voice. If there are issues, people can come forward in full confidence to talk to our lawyers and investigators, and in each case we will look at the issue.