We made a decision in the Government of Canada to unionize or allow for unions in the 1960s, and my experience working with the unions has been pretty good. They are sometimes frustrated with me and I'm sometimes frustrated with them, but that's the way it is, because they have a different point of view. I have not viewed it as one of those big problems that we have to deal with, from my perspective, and I'm talking about my perspective.
The case that was brought to the Supreme Court and defined the political activities and made this world so complicated was brought by the unions. So that's their perspective on this, and the Supreme Court ruled, so that's the direction in which we are going.
As any manager would tell you, you have to be careful and mindful of the employees in your organizations. I think unions play a role in representing those interests and in reminding you of your obligations. I know that it is difficult to dismiss people who are not performing, but it can be done. I think people just have to set about doing it, if that's what they feel they have to do. It isn't easier in a non-unionized environment, either.