But in your report you stated that there are times when the departments themselves lack the competencies. So they go to PWGSC and say, “Do 20% of the contracts valued up to $14 billion”. So there is that lack of competency, but they may be risk-averse in the department. They are probably very risk-averse, and as Mr. Martin put it, it's who you know.
So if I've dealt with you as a contractor and I'm comfortable that you will not let me down and you will deliver it, then I will not choose somebody else. How do you get that mindset changed, the mindset of a bureaucracy that has been doing it for 35 years without anybody...? The Auditor General has been complaining about this as well. How do we do that?