Sorry. If I said that, it's not what I meant. When I met them, it was my understanding it was the first time Gillani and he had met. Gillani's cousin--I think his name is Aleem—is in Ottawa and has a reputable business here. He brought Jaffer to the table that day, and that's when I met the two of them.
But that day I had no idea what Jaffer could do, or was, or anything. That was the first time I ever met him. Our meeting was very short--maybe 40 to 45 minutes. We had started lunch and then they came in. He was late and we left. Another party came in to meet as we were leaving. They were talking about going downtown to the club they go to, which maybe they did or didn't—I guess they did.
But I wouldn't say “disreputable”, because, to be honest, Rahim Jaffer and his partner, Patrick Glémaud, seemed to be decent people. I don't think there's anything wrong with them. I don't know if they are crooks.
As I said before, Gillani moves in a different world. There are VCs and there are VCs, and I've met them all. I've been around a long time. If you live as long as me you meet a lot of worms.