Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
You talked about going to get information on programs. You just said earlier that you know your way around Ottawa. How do you usually go about looking for information on the programs you mentioned? Could you do the same thing without the help of the people we are talking about, including Mr. Jaffer? A member of the opposition mentioned that they were secret programs. If you were able to go get the information, were they secret programs?