Everyone at that table who I met knew, to my understanding, that I was no longer involved with the government. They knew I was defeated; they knew that it was just an odd occurrence that I had these cards. I qualified that with them.
I think Mr. Harvey even said during his testimony that he didn't even know I was married to a cabinet minister. So I did not at all promote the fact that I was a defeated MP. I remember that in some discussions I said I had some understanding, obviously, of the way government works. But by no means did I ever try to say that I exerted any influence otherwise than anyone else, other than being able to advise based on my own experience of what I had done when I was an MP and what I had experienced during my term.
So I would disagree and say that there was never any perception that there was any undue influence on my part. However, Mr. Gillani did set up this meeting--