We do look, obviously, at the circumstances that departments are facing. For example, if somebody has a big initiative--the economic action plan, for one--we do not go and audit in those departments. If there's a big event going on, we will put that off.
We did not audit External Affairs or go and look at their work while they were doing that. You have to be realistic. I mean, managers have to do their jobs.
We did look, obviously, at this business of how people were employed. My comment, as I was just saying to the other member, was that they were mostly permanent staff.
Now, managers will say that's the only way they can get good people, but it does mean that you do have a problem because you're counting on retirements to give you the employment space that you need to manage your workforce.
We look at positions. We look at people holding positions. We don't worry about the compensation because it's not our responsibility. That belongs to Treasury Board. One of the things that is happening with the operational budget freezes--and I can say that as a manager of my own organization--is that for any increase that is bargained, I have to find the money. In the past, I used to get that from the centre. So it has a real impact.