I'm still grappling with your moneys, your main estimates and your supplementary estimates, because of the exorbitant costs. You've been discussing and telling us today that your operating budgets are frozen, that you're hiring 4,200 people, and that you also have a big capital project under way. When I look at your estimates and at some of the increases, they're almost 100% in the acquisition of land, buildings, and works alone. When you look at those kinds of expansions, it's very difficult to see how it's just going to be $2.1 billion.
When the Parliamentary Budget Officer did try to make himself available and tried to have that conversation, was it the department or was it somebody else who was saying not to meet with the Parliamentary Budget Officer?