Evidence of meeting #34 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was sauvé.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gilles Varin  As an Individual
Norman Glouberman  As an Individual
Julia Gersovitz  As an Individual

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

When did you meet Mr. Sauvé? How did you know him?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Julia Gersovitz

Mr. Sauvé is a masonry contractor who works in Montreal. He has been the low bidder on at least one project that we worked on for the City of Montreal.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

So both of you had previously worked with Mr. Sauvé.

Is that the case for you, Mr. Glouberman?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Norman Glouberman

I have never worked with Mr. Sauvé before this and did not know Mr. Sauvé before this.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Mr. Glouberman, who invited you to that cocktail party?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

How did he get your name? If you didn't know him, why did he invite you?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Norman Glouberman

No, no. I believe you're misunderstanding what I said. I said I did not know Mr. Sauvé before he got the contract. At this point he already had the contract, so I had met him as part of this contract.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

So Mr. Sauvé gets the contract. You're subcontractors for Mr. Sauvé or—

10 a.m.

As an Individual

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Please be more precise.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Norman Glouberman

We are the architects for the West Block.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Oh, okay.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Norman Glouberman

We got the job. We got the contract in 1995. We have been working on the job since 1995 up until the present. We are not subcontractors.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

You didn't have any contact with Mr. Sauvé before he got the contract.

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Norman Glouberman

That's correct.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Mr. Sauvé told journalists that Mr. Varin had told him that contributing to or organizing a cocktail party after obtaining a government contract was the thing to do. Do you share that view?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

10 a.m.

As an Individual

Norman Glouberman

We have no idea.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Had anyone suggested the same thing to you?

10 a.m.

As an Individual

10:05 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

If I understand correctly, Mr. Glouberman, you have federal government contracts, don't you?

10:05 a.m.

As an Individual

10:05 a.m.

Bloc

Diane Bourgeois Bloc Terrebonne—Blainville, QC

Oui?

10:05 a.m.

As an Individual