Evidence of meeting #37 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was summit.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bryce Conrad  Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada
France Pégeot  Assistant Deputy Minister, Regional Operations, Department of Industry
Renée Jolicoeur  Assistant Deputy Minister, Accounting, Banking and Compensation Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Sanjeev Chowdhury  Director General, Programs, Summits Management Office, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Mark Potter  Director General, Policing Policy Directorate, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Taki Sarantakis  Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy and Communications Branch, Infrastructure Canada
Sandra Young  Acting Regional Director General, Ontario Region, Department of Public Works and Government Services

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

—legacy projects were developed. I'm just concerned, because some of them are almost 100 kilometres away, an hour's drive away from the site itself. So how inconvenient could it have been for somebody in Parry Sound or Sundridge? Sundridge got a new bandstand, for example, a new bandshell.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Yes. I think you have to also bear in mind that when the G-8 legacy fund was established, the G-20 was not being held in Toronto at that point in time. This fund was specifically set up to support the G-8 summit. So there was no—

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Okay. So it's supporting the G-8. In Baysville, for example, which is 32 kilometres away from the summit site, at a cost of $300,000, you put in new washrooms—

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

—to support the summit site. I don't know if anyone from the G-8 actually used the washrooms in Baysville, as nice as they might have been.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Again, it's not meant specifically to support the leaders and their delegations. This is very much a legacy to the region. These are all locally identified priorities from the municipalities.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

So it's a legacy project to support the G-8, but it had nothing to do with the G-8, and you've just established that.

How are the decisions made around this, then? Who decided, or how was it decided, that a bathroom 32 kilometres away or a bandstand 47 kilometres away were part of the legacy projects that were required for the G-8? They're all in the minister's riding.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Local municipalities identified these projects as priorities.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

So local municipalities.... That wasn't the question. The question was how could they relate to the G-8? This is additional money that was flowing into the minister's riding. It was a tremendous amount of money that you put in, tens of millions into these projects.

November 18th, 2010 / 9:05 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Yes. We also put money into the G-8 summit centre and the rehabilitation of the North Bay airport, which was at the time supposed to be the primary landing area for the G-8 leaders. It was only after the G-20 summit was moved to Toronto that this changed.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Was the minister's office involved in any of these discussions as well, as to whether or not the funding got into Huntsville, Parry Sound, Sundridge, or any of those areas?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Yes, I'm sure they were.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Can you describe how?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Infrastructure Canada's role in these projects was to review the projects vis-à-vis the terms and conditions of the program to ensure that the costs of the projects were eligible under the terms and conditions of the program and that the costs that were deemed part of each project were eligible for reimbursement.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

So in Tony Clement's riding, there was an extra $46 million in addition to any other infrastructure spending and funding and any other economic action plan. There was an additional $46 million put into various and widespread areas around the riding that ultimately his department would have had some impact on deciding where they went.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Sorry, his department, Industry Canada?

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Yes.

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

I defer to my colleagues from Industry Canada in that regard.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

But you just said the minister's office would have been involved, right?

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Assistant Deputy Minister, Program Operations Branch, Infrastructure Canada

Bryce Conrad

Minister Clement would have worked with local stakeholders and municipalities. The question as to what his role was is a question that's best directed to him, not to me.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

Time is limited, and I don't know how much time I have left.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal John McKay

A minute and a half.

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Liberal

Siobhan Coady Liberal St. John's South—Mount Pearl, NL

I just want to ask DFAIT a couple of questions, if I may.

There is another thing that I find a little challenging. DFAIT bought a pretty fancy set of china for 24 people, dining room place settings. The place settings were $11,000 and glass charges were an additional $6,000. There were frosted glasses. It was a pretty fancy set of cutlery, and I'm sure there had to be silverware involved in this. What became of this set of china? Why did we actually need to buy a new set of china for 24? Wasn't this held at a Deerhurst resort? Wouldn't they have quality tableware?

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Director General, Programs, Summits Management Office, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Sanjeev Chowdhury

Mr. Chair, I can answer that question. It was not china that was purchased. It was pottery from Lindgren Pottery, which is based in Muskoka. We did not have, and neither did the resort, a set that was appropriate for that number of people in order to serve them for all the official meals. The amount of--