Within the structure of our wonderful construction industry, both in Quebec and elsewhere, there are very close ties between the financial players—the bankers, lenders and insurance companies. The St. James United Church project, which caused a lot of ink to flow and, as I was saying earlier, cost my family and the creditors involved in the project almost $5 million, ultimately tarnished the company's financial reputation.
But in life, you have to get back on your feet, work hard and keep going, and that's what we did. In order to secure bonding and be able to move forward, we had to offer surety bonds in cash to the National Capital Commission. It is a fairly rare occurrence. Ordinarily we are able to obtain bonding on the basis of our word and our record. However, because our reputation had been tainted by the St. James United Church affair, there was an enormous loss--