We have determined that each year, some 13,000 people, men and women, leave the public service. Most of them do so to retire, but there are many others who leave to continue their careers in the private sector. There are others still who leave to enter politics.
So the figure is close to 13,000. That's a lot of people. I think that this will allow for each department to find creative solutions. If there are people leaving, will all of them have to be replaced, or will we be able to continue to deliver our programs with the remaining staff? This will be a topic of in-depth debate and we will have that debate.