Thank you to all of you for trying to bring the voice of reason into this debate. We appreciate both the tone and the content of your presentation. But you can see from Mr. Warkentin's intervention what we're up against every time we try to have that debate. All of their bills and all of their arguments seem to be based on the basest instinct of revenge. They would have the public believe--and believe me they advertise in our ridings; they carpet bomb our ridings with these leaflets that say Pat Martin wants Clifford Olson to be out on the streets again. They want to shape policy based on the most extreme examples they can find and that way garner support.
Let me ask you to elaborate a little bit more on the American experience. We now know from 30 years of empirical evidence that if tougher sentences and more people in prison meant safer streets, then the Americans would have the safest streets in the world, because they incarcerate at the highest rate of anybody in the world. Can you perhaps spend the few minutes we have expanding on what you're seeing from the United States and the prison reform movement there?