I know on a number of occasions, because I sit beside him in the House of Commons, that the Minister of Public Safety has stood and has given a projected figure on what the estimated cost will be over the next four years.
Now, I'll go back to Hansard, if my colleague would like me to do that. Certainly we'll get those numbers that he's been using.
Mr. Chair, I'm trying to say that a vigorous debate on numbers is one thing—