Mr. Chair, it is not for me to tell the departments how many public servants it's going to take to run a program. They will make those decisions.
Mr. Chair, I don't know whether there's just a deliberate lack of acceptance of what we mean when we say 11,000. Do we understand, when I say that 11,000 is the attrition rate, that this means some number higher than 11,000 people will leave the public service this year? Does that mean we're not going to hire any more? No, we've been hiring pretty aggressively, as the member has pointed out. Does that mean a certain department may not reduce in an area? No. I'm simply saying—